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The early war Brits look great, but the Yanks could use just a few tweaks. Might I suggest the occasional backpack. One of the figures needs either a Thompson SMG or M3 grease gun. Finally, if a GI's best fiend is his rifle, the guy throwing the grenade should have one, either slung across his back or in his other mit.
Otherwise both are great looking sets which I look forward to buying.
At least - early war BEF. Great hole in war. 4 figures from Zvezda are too little. Second - recon squad have wrong rigles.
I think the figures with Thompson is worth to release too. Mayby in command/support set [officer, light mortar (because A-T rifle is)]
US GIs are fine too - in shirts only. 8th pose NCO with smg please.
Some figures carrying supplies, guards etc. Forage caps as alternative heads. Stretcher parties. Radio operator.
Or maybe these belong to "behind the lines" sets.
Heads look a little large on the US figures.
Don't know what to say about the Brits, but for the Yanks, I like the mix right now, but if I would add something, it would be to fill voids in this scale with other manufacturers, so I agree with what has been suggested:
carrying ammo or supplies (real useful)
The BEF set does indeed fill in a massive hole in WW2 modelling market. There are early WW2 1/72 British tank finally appearing thanks to S Models and PSC so 1939-41 can be better covered.
I am sure that the BEF 1940 set will prove to be a good seller and suggests that HaT needs to be forward thinking and provide a heavy weapons set - MkI Bren gun (min 2 crew!), Boyd anti tank gun, mortars, Vickers (please no kneeing gunners please).
As the master is ready, it is time to get on with the production to get it ready for Christmas market.
I have all the Zvezda BEF sets and think these sets are very good and paint up well. If you have not got the 2pdr its a cracking little model and only £2-99. Likewise I have HaTs British late war motars and heavy weapons.The Zvezda also are 25mm with another 1mm for the bases so are they compatable with the HaT BEF 1940 infantry?
The reason I suggest that a heavy weapons sets is also required is because Zvezda never finished the British 1940 range. There are no bren gun with crew or Boyd anti tank guns etc. Actually HaT also miss out the crews for the Boyds and Brens!
The difference between early and late war British are the respirators positioned on the chest in the alert position, and gas capes rolled on the pack (Mustard gas attacks being expected - both sides did have stockpiles of these chemicals!). Also the packs are much more solid in the early period.
The HaT late British are good sets (when you can get hold of them especially the tank riders!) but they miss these important pieces of equipment.
I would argue that just producing Union troops for the ACW and saying you can paint them grey for the Confederates (yes I did this as a child with Airfix products) is not correct. Likewise producing one set of Germans for the whole war would be treated with total distain and would probably put Goebbels Miniatures out of business!
Not arguing any of that, just that I have waited long enough and would like them sooner rather than later, if Hat make a heavy weapons set, I will buy a box or two, as I would for a long list of other WW2 British subjects too.
I totally agree with your arguement that this set needs to appear asap. I am sure that it is a finacially sound project which has a great sales potential.
Both green or khaki plastics. Agree about some unusual like command, stretches,e.t.
What I really need for US soldier in Europe i 1944 is marching poses.
There are a lot of photo with column of GI advancing one column in each side of a road and wee need set with only marching poses...
Ammo bearer are also welcome.
On a broader theme I was wondering about the viability of HaT producing sets along the lines of the old Zvezda format i. e. 3 sprues of "rank and file" figures and one "command" sprue with officer, musicians, standard, radio operator in modern sets and so forth.
I'm guessing that it is just too expensive in that you're effectively producing two sets, but would people prefer to buy in this format, particularly for 20th century armies, or always have separate command sets?
I agree its a good way other than separate sets,officer,sergeant,radio operator,medicalx2,mp,ammo or supply carrier x2,mechanic or cook or reading or on bike,or playing cards,a fat guy
Yes it was magnificent format of old Zvezda - 3 normal and 1 command sprue.
Unfortunatelly with MAC format - is a problem what to do with 3rd and 4th same command figures.
don't forget to add a 'berserker" figure either a Brit standing with a cradled Lewis gun or a US with a 30cal air cooled firing from the hip... need to include the dramatic last stand figure!
In my opinion, it's better to have four similar sprues. For wargames, there are so many variations in the rules that some may require more and some may require fewer command figures. For example, when I base WW2 figures for Command Decision, I include three infantry figures per stand -- that represents a platoon. (And yes, I do realize that the CD standard is 2 per stand, but I started this way decades ago and there you have it!)
This means that for a standard British or German or US battalion, I need 3 x 3 x 3 = 27 or 3 x 3 x 4 = 36 infantry figures and only one officer and one radio for the battalion command. So I'd rather have the flexibility of deciding how many grunts or Tommies I'm going to buy versus being forced to pay for lots of extra command and support figures each time I buy a box.
Those Indiana Jones trucks are great!