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With the recent long thread on Medievals and Byzantines I think that the posters made a really poor case. Both the Medieval and Byzantine eras were about a thousand years long. If Hat were to consider making anything it would need to be made more precise.
With the Hat range for El Cid they hit a six (English readers) knocked the ball out of the park (American readers). There were 4 sets for the Christian forces and seven for the Muslims, covering two distinct groups.
So although personally I have little interest in either Medievals or Byzantines at present maybe those who do should post again explaining what they would like to see and if Hat needs to produce both sides or if it is an army for which an enemy already exists.
I guess they would like to see the sets promised by HaT and masters posted on the relevant subsite :P
With Hat's El Cid line we get a good start on providing a complete line of early medieval armies both Arab and European. In this period we have the Norman conquest of both England and Southern Italy. There are the Communes of Northern Italy. We see the rize of the Seljuk Turks, The Byzantine Empire at its height, collapse and rebirth, and the Crusades. I'm already using Hat's El cid line to create the core of my early medieval armies, but I am using Hat's competitors to fill in the parts Hat is missing. If Hat doesn't mind seeing its customers go elsewhere to complete their collections I can live with that, but I'll miss their well good wargame quality reasonable priced military miniatures in my collection.
I like the El Cid range, especially the command sets. These sets were also released quite quickly and with the separation of Light and Heavy Cavalry the client could decide on what ratio they wanted. However, my next interest would be for the time of the 3rd Crusade (Robin Hood and Ivanhoe with the films of Errol Flynn and the Taylors (Elizabeth and Robert) being my favourites). For that period I am happy with the original Airfix Robin Hood (rereleased by Hat) and the Italeri The Knights and the various Ceasar Miniatures sets for this period. Afterwards the heraldry gets complicated for me to paint so although I have the various sets for the HYW and the Germans and Hussites I have not painted any. So as I originally stated I have no further interest in the period. I think if Hat were to enter this period it would be best to have a particular war in mind. The problem is that after El Cid there is only a general idea of what the Crusades were and also a general idea of the HYW. You may mention the Normans in Sicily but few people would know what went on and without a good well known film to spark interest I think that only die hard enthusiasts would be interested in the period.
I would like to see, a series of eighth-century Franks versus Umayyads would fill quite a large gap in the hobby. A bit earlier than what many people think of when they hear "medieval", but technically the term can cover anything between the fall of Rome and the Renaissance...
Also those Byzantine masters look very promising (I seem to remember seeing some light infantry masters as well a while back).
The announcement of the Byzantines was 7 years ago.Such long waiting period is extraordinary for Hat.Noramlly it took 4-5 years since annoucement to production.I do not know what is a reason for such long period ......of waiting.
Jerzy, I can not rmember the Byzantine Masters but I guess the problem would be to know for what period are they designed and if the corresponding enemy already exists or not.
As to Medieval periods I have just remembered that there is 1 well known period that has not been covered and could get some support, The War of the Roses. A number of known characters: Warwick "The King Maker", Richard the III. Practically the last hurrah for the English Longbow being the most formidable weapon.
So what do any of you Medieval Enthusiasts think of a WotR line from Hat?
The Wars of the Roses is well covered by Redbox, its what their medieval sets are for...
We could do with a good set of earlier Franks and Caroligians both cavalry and Infantry..
Anglo-Saxon shield wall Early(pre 8th century) and later(2 sets)...
Viking shield wall..9th-10th century
Anglo Danish Huscarls suitable for 1000-1066 possible by having both round and kite shields in the set... King Canute had several thousand as did Harold Godwinson..
Most sets currently available are a mixed bag of poses often covering too large a time scale or have faults of one sort or another more or less... or are simply fictional...
note Most sets incorporating the shield wall as a primary figure pose have sold out...
What I would want with any army are poses that compliment each other and represent the common battlefield formations and tactics of the time...
Just some ideas
WOR`s is a period I have asked for from the hobby since I discovered the internet, Redbox`s range although not bad, is not great either and has left me feeling a little disappointed. I have bought the early sets, but feel Redbox have gone for quantity over quality with subjects being covered that are almost peripheral in the big scheme of things. A good quality set of fully armoured foot knights and men at arms is sorely needed as are some of the key players, the period would lend it`s self to crowd funding, who would not want a good Warwick as a bonus figure.
Due to the different shape of the shields the Byzantines can be used for quite long period of time VII AD - XIII AD and the masters look good, the only problem is lack of updates...
Just one problem with the El Cid Spanish infantry - you can't build a shield wall.
Perhaps HaT would consider a mini set to fill this gap. Might only need 3 or 4 poses, as long as they're all holding their shields FACING TOWARDS THE ENEMY.
The set need not even be particularly specific to an army, just generic poses with maybe alternative heads and shields to fit any western European army from the early middle ages.
I am glad to see so much interest and communication. The Byzantines appear to be from the period of about 900-1025. Hat's El Cid Line would work well with them. I would love to see a Viking Shield wall. A lot of good ideas floating around. Several that sound crowd funding worthy. Just an old man's thought.
i agree with the carolingian/frankish sets that ironsides mentioned,are needed.
from charles martel thru charlamagne,there are quite alot of sets available and also in need as well.early saxons,avars,lombards amongst others.
I feel I need to say That the El Cid line is a great spot to start an extensive 11th century medieval line that could cover Feudal Europe, North Africa, and the middle East. A good set of generic Turkish Ghulams (Slave soldiers found in many of a medieval sultans army) would be a good start for a wargamer to create the armies of Fatimid Egypt and the muslim armies further east. A set of generic Norman style knights could be used for the armies of Western Europe (and that includes Italy) all the way into the Holy Roman Empire.Then if you want to expand into the British Isles, Scandinavia, the Byzantine Empire, and Eastern Europe, You could do that too if you wished.