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If you are mastering these extra figures for crowdfunders, then the argument of there "not being enough command figures for a command set" becomes a little weak!
Agreed. As a long-time lurker on this forum who has finally decided to contribute his two cents, I have to say the main reason I am currently hesitating to support this project is the lack of a command set - I don't really need more two sets of Landwehr (one marching, one action), but extra command figures are always useful and I would probably buy two copies of a separate command set.
If HäT want to make a command set without actually having to sculpt any new figures, here are several ideas:
1. Put in one of the officers from the infantry command set (many Landwehr officers wore regular uniforms anyway).
2. Add another NCO with pike, who could double as a standard bearer and also make it easier to form complete units of Landwehr armed with pikes due to supply issues).
3. Add one of the mounted officers from the Napoleonic Mounted Officers set.
The bonus figures could then be a couple of personalities - e.g. Blücher and Scharnhorst (preferably mounted in my opinion).
P.S. Let me just put in my vote for the SYW Austrians (or anything SYW, really - cavalry, artillery, French, Russians in waistcoats, etc.) - I would preorder a bunch of those, and probably yet another bunch once they hit the stores.
P.P.S. Those Zulu bonus figures look fantastic, especially the mounted officer, and might just convince me to buy some.
Command figures look pretty good !
Thank you Hat !
We should start nagging HaT until they make these SYW sets just to shut us up - seems to have worked quite well for Zulu fans so why not for us too?
But please god no more Bluchers! I can get those in metal and plastic already. A bonus figure of a generic general or staff officer - yes please. But have mercy on me and do not make Blucher !!!!!
I would quite happily have another foot Landwehr rather than a mounted figure but, I agree a generic Prussian officer is of more use than a distinctive figure like Blucher.
My favourite bonus figures at the moment would be in the following order
1st Marching Sapper (officially the Prussian Landwehr did not have sappers or flag bearers but unofficially there is plenty of evidence they did).
2nd Attacking with blanket roll over shoulder and axe (2nd Fig from right)
3rd NCO/Sergeant with Musket held by the trigger guard on right shoulder (the figure on the left at the back).
4th Using musket as club please add blanket roll over shoulder
5th Generic mounted Prussian officer
What would be your nominations for bonus figures I think Hat will be doing a poll soon
These masters are incompatible with the other ones.
Several years back I got curious as to the process of producing injected plastic figures with an eye to fulfilling a lifelong dream of making my own dream sets.
Over the course of a couple years talking to folks who stepped up and put their hard-earned money on the line to do the same I realized it wasn't as simple as it seemed - and a LOT more expensive than I thought.
Molds for the figures in the plastic injection process are huge, heavy, and expensive to make - not to mention the time hack involved in doing so; multiply that by the long distances between the Continental US and China (where most of this is done) further complicates matters. I won't go on to other stuff that complicates the process.
Most 1/32 plastic collectors are aware of the beautiful set of ACW Confederate Infantry a young fellow, Beau Cunnyngham produced some years back. He had the support of most of us collectors and the assistance of others who were already producing figures. He got his set produced and then had a devil of a time selling the things - as beautiful as they are. When one is doing a production run of plastic there is a minimum order required before the company will go to the trouble of doing a run. The guys were beautifully realized but the problem was they were almost doomed by their own uniqueness and excellence - he ended up with a garage full of his figures that I don't know he's still been able to get completely rid of to this day. He was hoping to realize enough profit off his rebs to produce a second set of Union Infantry (based more on the Western Theater than Northern Virginia); I for one, looked forward to this set in anticipation. The problem was, he wasn't able to realize enough profit over his overhead in producing the first set to produce the second set in plastic.
He tried an early form of crowd-funding but the money didn't come in; then, he decided he'd do the figures in metal selling them one or two poses at a time. Metal is actually cheaper AND easier to produce than plastic (I never figured the price difference) - I bought some of them to support him because they were wonderful figures and I hoped against hope he might get it together to produce the set.
I don't think it's going to happen.
Now, Nick Versteeg has managed to produce an entire line of 1/32 plastic soldiers and, a great guy in the hobby, he has assisted others, including Beau in their projects. I guess it was about five years ago he wanted to produce an add-on set to his WW2 Germans but only had about four poses - which if I'm not mistaken were produced by a master converter who'd done some neat things with some of Nick's earlier figures. It wasn't cost-effective enough to do two or more new poses and then go through the trouble of making injection molds so Nick went the resin route; he got his guys out quickly and relatively cheaply and we collectors got some beautiful new figures for our collections. Now, resin has its drawbacks - but it is cheap and takes a lot less time to get from the drawing board to our hands; and they can also be produced in the USA - something it's almost impossible to get done in the USA these days (though the rebirth of PP may see a turn-around there).
Ron Barzso, whose playsets used to (note the term "used to") make me relive my childhood each Christmas, had his last big hurrah in playsets when he released his Battle of Lexington Green playset in injection plastic how many years ago? My wife (a true keeper of a lady) used to make my Christmas by managing to snag for me Ron's latest playset every year.
Traditionally, Barzso figures and scenics were made of resin. He has been able to have his guys designed, sculpted, and cast in that medium from his base just outside Chicago. His buildings and structures were also designed and sculpted and cast in hardened foam in the States, too. It was simple, cheaper, and efficient that way. Over a decade ago he partnered with Nick Versteeg and they produced their Stalingrad set using Nick's figures and Ron's buildings (I still kick myself for missing out on THAT one); About ten or so years ago he produced plastic figures to recreate the old Marx 60mm Robin Hood set - loved that one.
His Lexington Green set was a work of art. He was hoping to follow it up with a Yorktown set which would include Continental AND British regulars. Man, was I excited. Apparently, he never recouped his expenses on the Lexington set. One can pick up the Militia and Grenadiers on sale at ebay. Face it, folks, the market for plastic figures isn't what it used to be.
Even Nick had to crowd-fund his latest Vietnam project.
Bottom line to all I've just said, is to reinforce what H just said. The fact that HaT is offering bonus resin or metal figures along with their new plastic sets has nothing to do with the content of the actual sets. It's apples and oranges. We don't have to like it - it is what it is.
Besides, I've looked over the figures on display and one
Sorry, didn't realize I got cut off - continued: As I was going to say - one could conceivably create a fair command unit from the figures offered. What I expect I will do is take the halberd (or pike, if you prefer) from the NCO figure in the marching set and stick a flag one or two of them; after all, you are likely to have too many NCOs anyway. It'll work.
As for the "extra" musicians - I intend to convert them to late Napoleonic Pommeranian Piccolo Players.
Bill, Wayne can I just stop you there with all your Pommeranian Piccolo Players nonsense, everybody knows that only a dedicated set of Pommeranian Piccolo Players will ever satisfy, you should be demanding nothing less.
Lets put it to the crowdfunding vote watch out Hat the surge in votes may put your website out of action for months.
A dedicated set Brian! Are you serious? We need the full suite of DWL sets for the Pommeranian Piccolo Players. Drinking, Wenching and Looti... ,sorry, Liberating. Now we need to think about what bonus figs we want with those sets.
Is there any news on how many bonus figures we will get 1 for every order(regardless of 1 box or 10 boxes) or 1 for every 2 boxes or 1 for every box or something different?
If I order just one set will I still get a mounted figure or do I have to order at least two sets to get one?
One will get you 1 foot figure. Two sets will get you 2 foot figures and 1 mounted figure (total = 3 figures).
Cheers, just placed an order for two sets.
If you want an adventurous suggestion for a bonus figure: she's not Landwehr but a figure of Sgt. Friederike Kruger of the 9th Colberg infantry regiment would be very cool. I'm thinking a figure that shows that she's a female soldier but not one of those middle aged male fantasy type figures (I don't think there's anything wrong with those figures, just not as a tribute to a real soldier). Don't forget her Iron Cross.
Or a mounted Bulow would be very handy
If you want a more practical suggestion: the sapper is a great idea and any additional officers would be most useful.
An NCO figure would be great, marching or "in action" like the one in the Prussian Line Infantry Command set.
Flag bearer would also be fine, as they were certainly present. No official colours were issued to Landwehr regiments, but many flags were made and presented to these units, so flag bearers would be much more useful than, for example, a sapper, which must have been a very rare beast, as even line regiments did not have them.
Another "Generic" staff officer as a mounted figure would be great. In fact,the standard uniform in the field was almost identical for staff and general officers, being the undress "Überzieher" (like a frock coat)and the peaked cap, the difference being in colour, as Generals would wear these garments in dark blue, and Infantry or General Staff Officers in grey. The only difference may be in the saddlery, with junior officers having cloth shabraques and holster-caps, and those of senior officers and generals being of fur.
I use several of the "Landwehr" officers from the Staff Officer set as Generals.
On Hat's hidden Prussian Crowdfunding page, yes "Hidden" only available to Prussian Crowdfunders another reason to place an order hint hint, where you get to see the hidden progress of the Prussian Landwehr and other secret stuff.
Anyway on this page Hat led by no less than The Landwehr-reenactment group are questioning the use of Sappers or Flag Bearers.
In the case of the Sappers they say they were only used when required after Waterloo and selected from the Landwehr regiments for the building huts, tents and wooden beds for the wounded soldiers, and later they buried the thousands of dead soldiers lying there, after this job the men were ordered back to their Infantry-Platoons and were again normal Landwehr-Infantry-Soldiers.
They go on to say the Prussian Landwehr Sappers were not used as the French and British Sappers, presumably they mean in a front line roll, this is a bit of blow and I hope this is not entirely true and cling to the hope that they were exceptions as there are illustrations showing them with the main body of men.
In the case of the Flag Bearers they say The Landwehr units did not have flags, The Prussian King Wilhelm III gave them no flags in the war 1813-1815, it is true they were never Officially given Flags, however I would argue they did provided there own flags in 1813, there are written discriptions of many flags and one has survived now displayed in a museum.
Below you will find some examples of what they may have looked like and the one surviving flag(the top one).
In light of this will you still want Sapper and Flag bearer bonus figures I have a feeling you might the Sapper would look so good and Wargamers always like a Flag.
Haythornethwaite says, and so too does the re-enactor on the hidden page, that many of the Landwehr still carried the large axes they were first armed with even after they were issued muskets. Also I assume that if there was any engineering work happening, such as strengthening a position or clearing an obstacle then most of the actual work was probably done by infantrymen. So a man with an axe would be a nice addition to a Landwehr unit. Variety is good.
Most writers say that Landwehr units made their own unofficial flags. And, I think, they earned them by their performance in battle. So a flag bearer would be welcome.
Extra officers would be useful and might prompt a few more people to support these sets.
Some genius has come up with the coolest flag design ever, I would be compelled to follow this flag anywhere. Now we know why the King tried to ban them.
Actually, that flag bears a very close resemblance to the colors of the Pommeranian Piccolo Players - it's just missing the bustle framing the mug that was used instead of braid around the edges.
I think I might have a found a good officer to be used as a Bonus figure and don't know why I never noticed him before as I like the NCO in the same picture.
Officer in foreground wearing short jacket with long tails and blanket roll (pose could be changed to something more animated)
NCO/Sergeant with Musket held by the trigger guard on right shoulder (the figure on the left at the back).
What do you think is he a winner?
and Remember Every Little Helps
Mounted generals, aides, ADCs etc, with associated foot types.
Far more use than another foot officer, in my not so humble opinion